Thursday 8 October 2015

Dero Interview 2015

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OOMPH Interview 2015




Oomph! are one of the biggest and most influential bands in German Industrial Metal. They are even considered to be the founders of Neue Deutsche Härte, the music genré that Rammstein made world famous. They haven’t stuck to that but instead explored other styles and developed over the years, something that has led to some criticism from older fans. Their last album “Des Wahnsinns Fette Beute” had a lukewarm reception because it was more lighthearted and poppy. With their new album “XXV” they return to a darker rock sound but without repeating themselves. I managed to meet the frontman, Dero, for an in depth conversation about the album, politics, ageing and a lot more. The band also consists of Flux (guitar) and Crap (guitar, keyboards).
First I asked Dero about the new album.
-       I think it’s pretty versatile even though there is a dark line that goes through all the songs. They are more rock oriented and we developed them with how they were going to sound live in mind. We went back to the basics of rock music and reduced the electronic influences a lot. I’m looking forward to perform the songs on stage with two guitarists, a bass player, drummer, percussionist, keyboardist and me as the singer. That’s what Oomph! is about! We don’t cling to the old album and repeat it with new lyrics. We can’t please everyone and if we had to think about what some fans would like, we would lose the main thing with art: to be creative and authentic.



 Fourteen Shades of Black

When I interviewed Dero two years ago, he said that they already had 30 songs and that the album would be out soon. Why did it take such a long time?
-       It was so difficult to choose the right songs. We also added a few more after some jam sessions. The whole writing process took such a long time because it was hard for us to feel satisfied. The result is really cool and reflects different facets of darkness in life. The album is “14 Shades of Black”. There are so many different ways to approach darkness, so there are up-tempo, groovy, medium heavy and slow ballads on the album. We want it to be like a rollercoaster and always surprise you.


The earlier albums had filmic interludes in between the songs, such as quotes from “Psycho” and the “Exorcist”. They also had instrumental atmospheric pieces that could have been from a soundtrack for a film.
Is this something we could hear again?
-       Not directly but Crap is still doing similar things for the intros. We wanted, as I said, to reduce the electronics, so it’s now more orchestral, with choirs, strings and similar real traditional instruments. In the future we might do something similar but on this record it’s all about songs with lyrics.




The new album is co-produced by Simon Michael from “Subway to Sally”. In the past Oomph has collaborated with quite a few German big names like the Punk legend Nina Hagen.
-       We just called her up! At that time she was living in Ibiza. She said that she knew of us and that our music was cool. We sent her the song and two weeks later we were in the studio recording it. She was so professional and versatile with her voice.  She can sing everything from rock, punk to opera. There won’t be any more collaborations on the new one. We are open for everything but you can’t force these things, they happen naturally.

2014 was actually Oomph!’s 25th anniversary but this year they celebrate the fact that they started playing live as a band in 1990. So, the cover has “XXV” in Roman numerals.
-       That’s right! We think that’s more interesting because you never know how you can interpret it. It could also have something to do with “X” and “Y” chromosomes.


The importance of trying new things 

Last year Oomph put on a live performance at the Wave Gothic Treffen in Leipzig. Earlier Dero had posed half naked and tied up in some artistic bondage pictures by the photographer Ronny Zeisberg. He helped them to stage a special show with fully naked body painted dancers. Is this a new direction for the band and didn’t Dero himself say that society is over sexualized?
-       We had the chance to do it so we went for it. It’s what we stand for: to always try something new. You try not to think too much about what is good, right or wrong. Just be free as an artist and not create your own mind traps, because music has to come from the heart. When there are too much mind and logic in music it gets too technical but if it’s too much the other way it can also get a bit boring. So, you have to try and find a balance between everything and that can be hard. I said and still think that society is over sexualized but that’s how it is with Oomph!,  to be ambiguous, you never quite know what we actually mean. You are supposed to question if we are serious or if we are making fun of it. The more question marks it raises, the further it reaches as art. Too many exclamation marks are boring. I think the dark side of sexuality has always been there in my soul, so I thought it was time to let it out. But as I said, I think repetition is boring and I have now shown that side of me. There are many more to come. We are not going back to something we have already done like the more humouristic side of the last album. Maybe some black humour but this time it’s more like a nightmare than a fun LSD trip.


Is it still possible to shock?
-       I think you first have to build new walls so that we can tear them down. In our society there are none left, so perhaps we have to create new taboos because it feels like there are none left to break. There are in other societies but religious fundamentalism is an old thing, you know. It’s as old as mankind, so it will remain forever. This seems shocking to us because we think we are free but our kind of freedom scares other people. It’s not understandable for everybody. We can’t make the mistake of judging them and try to impose our kind of democracy on each society. That’s impossible in my eyes, because there are many societies that don’t want to live as free as we do. We have to accept that but not if they try to stop our way of life. That’s when we have to tell them “Stop, not with us!” It’s a very dangerous balancing act like after what happened in Paris with the terrorist attack on the magazine Charlie Hebdo. They needed a scapegoat and people always want to generalize so they started hating Muslims. Like most of us know there is only a minority of them that will react so fundamentally. The media is constantly reporting about atrocities from these countries to scare us. It’s the same with America where we only see black people committing crimes. We have to be careful and skeptical with what the news is trying to tell us. Our children must learn that they are constantly being manipulated even in a so-called “free” society like Germany.


I have only included a fraction of his long statement about the corrupt media, prejudices and religious fundamentalism here. Dero likes to go in to big political and philosophical arguments, something he does frequently on his Facebook page. Unusually for a rock star, he sits there for hours, discussing with fans from all over the world.
-       I think it’s important to ask questions more so than to receive answers. There are so many people, especially politicians, who suggest they know the solution but I don’t think they have a clue. There is no final answer but rather seven billion! In our modern world where we are all connected through new media, we have to realise that it’s very hard to find a truth. We have to ask ourselves who is making us believe in their version and who created it. All I know is that I want to keep this level of freedom because I remember the time when Europe and Germany were divided. When we in one country had borders and different currencies. I want to continue to live in a united Europe. Of course there are problems like those with the financial sector but I am so grateful that I can move freely in the union. It was so amazing for me to see Germany grow together again. As we all know, you can’t divide a culture forever, that’s impossible. I think that North and South Korea will eventually be re-united. It might take 50 or even a 100 years but the border will open.



 Relative freedom

Sometimes it really heats up on the net when Dero is holding court. Many conservative fans don’t approve of his liberal views and some female fans attack each other out of jealousy. Can an internet addiction be as dangerous as a physical one?
-       Of course, all addictions are and there are people who are on-line the whole time. They start to take things too seriously and attack others. It’s also about cultural differences and that many come from countries where you can’t criticize your government. They think it’s not possible to express yourself against what they’ve been taught by the media. The net is a good place to rehearse standing up for your rights. There is still a certain amount of freedom there and we have to try and keep it like that. As we know, there is no ultimate freedom because that might mean you violate someone else’s. We have to be careful though, because, as we know, there are always people in the background trying to push us in one direction or the other. In the end it’s all about money. As we know, nothing is free. Politics is not as complicated as they want us to believe, because it’s all about territory and profit.



 For a diverse world

One of Oomph!’s songs “Wer Schön Sein Muss Leiden” is about the insanity around plastic surgery and how people are doing anything to try and stay young. Dero is indisputably a very good looking man but he is now 45, so I wondered if there is any pressure on him to stay young through surgery.
-       I don’t want to point the finger at those who do it. If they think it looks nice, it’s up to them. Personally I don’t want to live in a world where everyone is doing the same things because they feel pressured. I want to see old, young, ugly and different faces. The world should be as varied and colourful as possible. Everyone should be accepted and people should be allowed to age their way, not the way society dictates. Of course, if you can’t stand getting older, you should be able to do what you want about it. As we know though, they don’t look young but ridiculous. It’s a part of life and would it be possible to look young at the age of 90? It would be strange. You would look in the mirror and think “No, I don’t want to die because I am looking young!” It’s kind of sick, because you see yourself getting old and then you are fine with the fact that we are all going to die. I don’t have anything against death, it shows us how precious life is. Without death we would be like zombies or vampires who long for death. The whole universe is full of counter parts and ambiguous stuff. It’s important to have that balance between the two sides. It’s plus/minus, cold/hot, light/dark and so on. Some think they can defeat death but that’s impossible and ludicrous to even think so. Everything nowadays is so fixated on youth and health. Society tries to tell us that if you are young and strong you are successful. As we know, we are that just for a short amount of time. I think we have to find a new way to relate to ageing. There used to be so many cultures that adored old wise people. The oldest were the smartest, not like here where they try to suggest that the youngest are. You need experience to get wise so a twenty year old can’t be, in my eyes.
No labels

Dero also has a side project, What About Bill?, with the producer Chris Wolff. They play swing jazz covers of famous heavy metal songs dressed up in American police uniforms. This year it has been on ice because of Chris’s health problems.
-       He had a serious disease but he was cured and is now recovering. The project is still alive even though it’s just for fun. We want to shoot some more videos and try to play some gigs but we’ll see what time will allow.

When we were talking about different music genrés I asked Dero how he feels about some people crediting Oomph! as the inventors of NDH.
-       It’s really funny to read and hear that because when we started there wasn’t anything called that. I think it was after five or six years that we first started to hear that we were the inventors of NDH. At that point we were no longer so “Neu” and not really “Deutsch” either. We are bastards from all over Europe. People always seem to want to label everything but if they are happy with it, why not?

A few years ago the Schlager singer, Heino, did covers of Oomph!’s biggest hit, “Augen Auf”, and Rammstein’s “Sonne”. Heino, at the age of 72, had such a big hit with this cover album that he has now released one with heavy metal versions of his own songs. Dero’s fellow band members Flux and Crap produced some of them.
-       Ha ha, that was their revenge! He did our song, so they did his. It was good to see that he has a sense of humour.


Are there any new bands he likes?
-       There are quite a few, like Hozier for example, they are cool. I also like a lot of German bands like Kraftklub or Deichkind. The latter have very funny lyrics and I appreciate how they use the German language. Hip Hop and Rap write their texts in a completely different way. These guys are really creative and invent new words. Unzucht are also good. Their singer Daniel Schulz is doing a great job and he is such a nice guy.

No German Clichés 

Dero is completely teetotal, something that is very unusual in the rock world. He says he has no problems with resisting temptation and that no one tries to pressure him to drink.
-       I have grown out of that stage in my life. My life is all about changes, so I am done with it. It just became boring, that’s all.

When he is not playing Rock ‘n’ Roll and discussing politics he likes to go scuba diving. He has had a sports diver’s license for 20 years but he also likes to go on more cultural trips to places like Seville, Paris and Rome.
-       There are so many ancient, historical places with different cultures.  I love to explore and it’s also important for our own development to see how much they already knew back then. Even though we think they were so dumb, they definitively weren’t. Without computers and technology they managed to calculate and figure out how to shape their societies. Hopefully we can learn from our past.


After having warmed up with a few festivals such as Wacken Open Air over the summer, they will take the new album out on tour. Gone are the camp sailors from the last one. Now it’s serious with black leather instead. Will they also have a big stage show?

-       Yes, like the Eurovision Song Contest! Congratulations to Sweden by the way. He really did a cool performance. I like the idea with the video screens, it must have been hard to create and stage. The song was also good even though it’s radio pop. I am not completely against pop! Some of the best songs ever made are that, like Soft Cell’s “Tainted Love” (Actually a cover). No seriously, we’re not going to dance around with animated stick men. That belongs to the Eurovision. We are mainly a Rock ‘n’ Roll live band and we don’t want the visuals to take over. The focus should be on us and the music, or people will leave and say that the show was great but they can’t remember the band. Rammstein do it but you can’t compare us. We never had the intention of playing on German stereotypes and clichés. They were big in America before Germany, because they delivered what they wanted. I think it was Richard who said that Rammstein are not a band but theatre. Which is perfectly ok and they do it very well but we won’t ever roll with the “R’s” or play with fire.


Photos: Ronny Zeisberg
Live Photos: Maria Bergman


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